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Post by THE GREAT KSA on Sept 14, 2005 17:52:34 GMT -5
lol i wonder why "everybody" is obsessed with KSA.., but why am i wondering?? its GREAT KSA  all should be obsessed with this great land...half of the topics here is about this great kingdom..hey all, don't bother urselves, come and c how the beautiful life is here..we invite u all  welcome to Saudi Arabia pple ASLAN NO OTHER COUNTRY DSERVE TO BE MENTION EXCEPT IT |
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Post by islamic guest on Sept 14, 2005 18:40:07 GMT -5
with ll do respect to what u think sound this is not what all muslim thinks and muslim girls doesnt need to wear el jelbab or esp in ksa the nekab and el 3abaya and i think heya to3raf innaha zay el so3odi not all arabic or islamic countries wear it
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Post by staracfannumberone on Sept 14, 2005 18:50:53 GMT -5
and christian girls have to be veiled same as muslim is KSA...my best friend lived there with her family and if she left her house she must be covered up same as everyone else. I'm glad someone said it...the (holy) Koran never says that a woman has to be FULLY covered from head to feet...it only says that a woman must cover herself to be modest...that style of being fully veiled is a tradition enforced by politics. A Christian try to teach us what is Islam, staracfannoone please stay away I respect Christianity and stay a way from our religion This is for you and your so called friend From the holly quran [59] O Prophet! tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Sound, I'm not being disrespectful to your religion. On the contrary, I'm only telling you what I have learned. I'm taking an Islam class at my college, we are reading the Koran, AND my teacher is from SAUDI ARABIA and a very staunch muslim. This is the right quote but also does not mean that a woman cannot wear modest clothing without being fully covered..."cast their outer garments over their person"...how does that imply to be completely veiled and covered in the manner that the ladies in the picture are ? If this is the way they feel they are being devout and pious, then that is VERY good and what they are doing is extremely honorable. My argument is that the koran itself is not the source of the veiling of women in Saudi Arabia, but rather a political and historical tradition. That's all... (again, I'm not saying its wrong to do that in any way and I have a tremendous amount of respect for women who do this...) |
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Post by sound on Sept 14, 2005 19:16:04 GMT -5
A Christian try to teach us what is Islam, staracfannoone please stay away I respect Christianity and stay a way from our religion This is for you and your so called friend From the holly quran [59] O Prophet! tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.Sound, I'm not being disrespectful to your religion. On the contrary, I'm only telling you what I have learned. I'm taking an Islam class at my college, we are reading the Koran, AND my teacher is from SAUDI ARABIA and a very staunch muslim. This is the right quote but also does not mean that a woman cannot wear modest clothing without being fully covered..."cast their outer garments over their person"...how does that imply to be completely veiled and covered in the manner that the ladies in the picture are ? If this is the way they feel they are being devout and pious, then that is VERY good and what they are doing is extremely honorable. My argument is that the koran itself is not the source of the veiling of women in Saudi Arabia, but rather a political and historical tradition. That's all... (again, I'm not saying its wrong to do that in any way and I have a tremendous amount of respect for women who do this...) First of all you are not the one who interpret what it mean the holy prophet teaching go side by side with quran. You are Christian and don’t try to be a Muslim scholar. Their hadeath which support that and many quran verses. Yes there is deference in a correct hejab. Some say u don’t have to cover your face and the have their strong evidence And some say you have to cover your face and they have their strong evidence Both of them are right, and that’s what is called in Islam EGTEHAD. The important thing is that they have the right to follow what they really thing its right for them, why you are angry, it’s up to them and you don’t have to follow any one of them. |
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Post by staracfannumberone on Sept 14, 2005 19:52:08 GMT -5
Sound, I'm not being disrespectful to your religion. On the contrary, I'm only telling you what I have learned. I'm taking an Islam class at my college, we are reading the Koran, AND my teacher is from SAUDI ARABIA and a very staunch muslim. This is the right quote but also does not mean that a woman cannot wear modest clothing without being fully covered..."cast their outer garments over their person"...how does that imply to be completely veiled and covered in the manner that the ladies in the picture are ? If this is the way they feel they are being devout and pious, then that is VERY good and what they are doing is extremely honorable. My argument is that the koran itself is not the source of the veiling of women in Saudi Arabia, but rather a political and historical tradition. That's all... (again, I'm not saying its wrong to do that in any way and I have a tremendous amount of respect for women who do this...) First of all you are not the one who interpret what it mean the holy prophet teaching go side by side with quran. You are Christian and don’t try to be a Muslim scholar. Their hadeath which support that and many quran verses. Yes there is deference in a correct hejab. Some say u don’t have to cover your face and the have their strong evidence And some say you have to cover your face and they have their strong evidence Both of them are right, and that’s what is called in Islam EGTEHAD. The important thing is that they have the right to follow what they really thing its right for them, why you are angry, it’s up to them and you don’t have to follow any one of them. First, I'm not by any means trying to be an islamic scholar. I simply took the class to learn more about the religion and in Lebanon we live side by side, muslims and christians. I'm also not trying to be angry or have a fight with you. I'm telling you what I learned, which is that politics influences many customs including (possibly) the "hijab." That's all. And I respect my professor who has lived almost all of his life in KSA. I wish that you would be more tolerant as I'm only learning and sharing what I've learned with you. Anyways, it is my belief that Christians CAN be scholars on Islam the same way that Muslims CAN be scholars of Christianity. They don't have to believe in the religion to be academic experts on it. If a christian lives their whole life in the gulf and studies islam heavily and learns the history over the course of his life, then he can be considered a muslim scholar with a christian religion ... there is nothing wrong with that as long as he uses his education to do good and not to criticize the religion....that's all. |
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Post by *Rayyan* on Sept 14, 2005 21:56:51 GMT -5
hahahaha ween qa3deen allah yehdehom bel bar ;D i agree with zooni ! hijab is wajib 3abaya is tradition  ! satarcfan1 no christians ppl dont have to put hijab they just wear 3abaya did you see them in alhadath (it was about hicham and saudis ppl). remember?? and here in aramco they dont wear 3abaya ! and as leen said also some of saudi girls do the same(esp in jeddah khobar dahran) and in the beach also and the evidence why did they change the 3abaya now it has fat7at and has many colors that's because its tradition and not wajib |
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Post by staracfannumberone on Sept 14, 2005 23:43:35 GMT -5
hahahaha ween qa3deen allah yehdehom bel bar ;D i agree with zooni ! hijab is wajib 3abaya is tradition ! satarcfan1 no christians ppl dont have to put hijab they just wear 3abaya did you see them in alhadath (it was about hicham and saudis ppl). remember?? and here in aramco they dont wear 3abaya ! and as leen said also some of saudi girls do the same(esp in jeddah khobar dahran) and in the beach also and the evidence why did they change the 3abaya now it has fat7at and has many colors that's because its tradition and not wajib okay sorry i messed up between hijab and 3abaya...but what your saying is EXACTLY what I'm trying to say... "that's because its tradition and not wajib." Thank you for clarifying... |
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Post by hind on Sept 14, 2005 23:47:01 GMT -5
and christian girls have to be veiled same as muslim is KSA...my best friend lived there with her family and if she left her house she must be covered up same as everyone else. |
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Post by SilverWing on Sept 15, 2005 2:58:09 GMT -5
sound, there's a better way in addressing others to try to convince them of ur point of view or belief and your way is definitely not the right one. If u try to attract non muslims to Islam this way, then be sure that no one would listen to u.
I believe that Amru Khalid is the best example of a muslim da3ya coz he convinces ppl in a very polite and a nice way and that’s why he was able to attract ppl to the right path.
StaracFanNumberOne, you’re right about covering faces, the Quran did not say that females should cover their faces, it said ladies should wear jilbab (which I think means loose dresses and hijab).
The prophet said in one of his a7adeeth to his wife Aisha, “when a girl reaches puberty nothing should be visible to men (non mahrims*) except face and hands”.
So he did not mention faces to be covered.
* mahrim (ma7rim): is a girl’s husband, father, grandfather, brother, son, grandson, uncle, husband’s father. Basically the men in her life whom she can NOT get married to.
Females in KSA and other gulf countries follow tradition in covering their faces. And those ladies u've seen in the prime might have just covered their coz of the cameras, they wouldnt like to be seen on tv by thousands or millions of ppl.
I know females in my country (Oman) who do not normally cover but if they attend some concerts or tv programs they would cover their faces for the reason i mentioned above.
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Post by sound on Sept 15, 2005 7:37:59 GMT -5
First of all you are not the one who interpret what it mean the holy prophet teaching go side by side with quran. You are Christian and don’t try to be a Muslim scholar. Their hadeath which support that and many quran verses. Yes there is deference in a correct hejab. Some say u don’t have to cover your face and the have their strong evidence And some say you have to cover your face and they have their strong evidence Both of them are right, and that’s what is called in Islam EGTEHAD. The important thing is that they have the right to follow what they really thing its right for them, why you are angry, it’s up to them and you don’t have to follow any one of them. First, I'm not by any means trying to be an islamic scholar. I simply took the class to learn more about the religion and in Lebanon we live side by side, muslims and christians. I'm also not trying to be angry or have a fight with you. I'm telling you what I learned, which is that politics influences many customs including (possibly) the "hijab." That's all. And I respect my professor who has lived almost all of his life in KSA. I wish that you would be more tolerant as I'm only learning and sharing what I've learned with you. Anyways, it is my belief that Christians CAN be scholars on Islam the same way that Muslims CAN be scholars of Christianity. They don't have to believe in the religion to be academic experts on it. If a christian lives their whole life in the gulf and studies islam heavily and learns the history over the course of his life, then he can be considered a muslim scholar with a christian religion ... there is nothing wrong with that as long as he uses his education to do good and not to criticize the religion....that's all. hahahaha ween qa3deen allah yehdehom bel bar ;D i agree with zooni ! hijab is wajib 3abaya is tradition ! satarcfan1 no christians ppl dont have to put hijab they just wear 3abaya did you see them in alhadath (it was about hicham and saudis ppl). remember?? and here in aramco they dont wear 3abaya ! and as leen said also some of saudi girls do the same(esp in jeddah khobar dahran) and in the beach also and the evidence why did they change the 3abaya now it has fat7at and has many colors that's because its tradition and not wajib sound, there's a better way in addressing others to try to convince them of ur point of view or belief and your way is definitely not the right one. If u try to attract non muslims to Islam this way, then be sure that no one would listen to u. I believe that Amru Khalid is the best example of a muslim da3ya coz he convinces ppl in a very polite and a nice way and that’s why he was able to attract ppl to the right path. StaracFanNumberOne, you’re right about covering faces, the Quran did not say that females should cover their faces, it said ladies should wear jilbab (which I think means loose dresses and hijab). The prophet said in one of his a7adeeth to his wife Aisha, “when a girl reaches puberty nothing should be visible to men (non mahrims*) except face and hands”. So he did not mention faces to be covered. * mahrim (ma7rim): is a girl’s husband, father, grandfather, brother, son, grandson, uncle, husband’s father. Basically the men in her life whom she can NOT get married to. Females in KSA and other gulf countries follow tradition in covering their faces. And those ladies u've seen in the prime might have just covered their coz of the cameras, they wouldnt like to be seen on tv by thousands or millions of ppl. I know females in my country (Oman) who do not normally cover but if they attend some concerts or tv programs they would cover their faces for the reason i mentioned above.
If you think covering your face is tradition only, you are wrong
I am not the one who judge which is wrong which is right, to me all of them are right and the one who cover their face they have stronger Islamic testimony
I am not here to make people convert to Islam; I am answering some wrong acquisition and insult to my people and country |
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Post by joooj on Sept 15, 2005 8:22:48 GMT -5
ba3den , staracfab has a point!!! in islam it doesn`t mean that we have to wear all blackand covered that way, but each person can cover up and in anyway they want!!!
as long a person is wearing long and decent clothes and il 7ijab then thatz ok!
but thatz the law in ksa!! so guests stop making threads and posting pix like idiots!
hatha our traditons!! itz impolite to make fun of it!
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Post by sound on Sept 15, 2005 8:23:04 GMT -5
we are muslims and we shouldl wear it!!! are we are proud of it! u should be ashaimed of yourself!!! ba3den wish da5alkom if we cover our selves or not! malkom da5al! mome of your god d**n business!! is it our country or yours!!  ? hatha the law here!  |
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Post by joooj on Sept 15, 2005 8:30:09 GMT -5
we are muslims and we shouldl wear it!!! are we are proud of it! u should be ashaimed of yourself!!! ba3den wish da5alkom if we cover our selves or not! malkom da5al! mome of your god d**n business!! is it our country or yours!! ? hatha the law here! thanx , i wnated to modify it and deleted it madry kef  anyway i mean it!! |
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Post by joooj on Sept 15, 2005 8:42:16 GMT -5
hind irrasool( 9alla alla 3alaihi wassalam) ,ma kan yigool 9ADA8A ALLAH IL 3A6`EEM! so i don`t think we should say it! 3alamona ngoolha o 7ina 93`ar, but itz not right!! |
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Post by bahaa on Sept 15, 2005 12:23:57 GMT -5
jooj some say we shouldn't some say it's alright :S
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all should be obsessed with this great land...half of the topics here is about this great kingdom..hey all, don't bother urselves, come and c how the beautiful life is here..we invite u all 
welcome to Saudi Arabia pple 
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